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Is cutting out sugar even reasonable?

But the majority of human connection actually happens in our mind. It's the way we think about ourselves and other people. It's the way we think about our relationships, whether we think we're really connected with someone or not. And the point is that our human experience of connection happens a lot on our mind and that's really, really good. Because if you're trying to eat less sugar and you're worried about what it will do to you socially, you just need to know that you have a lot of power to create and establish real human connection with just a little bit of mindfulness.

[00:00:00] Nikki: Hey, this is Nikki and Sydney, and this is episode 67. It’s cutting out sugar, even reasonable 

[00:00:08] Sydney: This is fearless wellness, a podcast that has made for women who are feeling out of balance. It’s for women who are experiencing hormone issues and difficulty losing weight.

[00:00:19] Nikki: Here we will give you bite-sized tips to help you balance your hormones and we’re your hosts, Nikki Walton. 

[00:00:25] Sydney: And Sydney.

[00:00:27] Nikki: We are functional nutritional therapy practitioners, and we want to be your health coaches.

[00:00:32] Ready? Let’s go. sugar is everywhere. Literally everywhere. I remember when I first started to cut out sugar, I had no idea that there was sugar in lunch, meat. I was like, you’ve gotta be kidding me. When I actually started to check labels, I was like, there’s sugar in this Turkey.

[00:00:53] I had no. But that was even a thing. So if you think about it, when you go through the grocery store, you walk in and the very first thing, like when you walk through the door it’s chips with, or without sugar or popcorn with, or without sugar, all of the stuff that you just like to grab and put in your cart, right?

[00:01:11] All the munchies. And then you go through the produce section and then you’re weaving your way around to maybe the meats in the back. But if you go anywhere in the center of the store, I believe I read in Michael Paul’s book, Omnivore’s dilemma that there’s over 30,000 items in a regular grocery store that has corn, which is also sugar.

[00:01:35] So just think about that for a minute. that is a ridiculous amount of sugar. I also used to work at a, um, back. It was like 12 years ago. I worked at a tutoring center for children. And one of the biggest things that my boss loved to do was have a large box, like, um, like a, like a basket of candy at the front desk, so that she could hand out a piece of candy to every child, usually one to three pieces of candy to every child.

[00:02:07] After they finish their tutoring section. when you go to the bank, you don’t really do that anymore, but you would, my, I remember getting suckers as a kid when you would go to the bank.

[00:02:16] Sydney: They still do that. I totally

[00:02:18] Nikki: you go. Uh, I have even had, I’ve shared this before. I’ve even had random people come up to me in a store wherever I’m at and offer my children candy.

[00:02:31] let’s talk about schools every holiday party, every time. In fact, every time there’s a special math lesson, this is before I pulled my kids outta school. Every time there was a special math lesson, they would always use candy as their counters. So like if you’re counting to a hundred, if you were doing like some sort of like bingo game, or if you were doing some sort of counting game, candy was always used as counters, and then you have a holiday celebrations at church or with your family, or just regular gatherings.

[00:03:03] I went to, I was in Utah this weekend and we went to, to an Airbnb and the sweet host left us a full basket of red vines, marshmallows, Graham crackers, chocolate. And I can’t remember what other candy was in the basket, but it was like, thank you for renting. My Airbnb here is your sugar for this day, just to make sure, just to ensure your happiness. And then I loved visiting my dad’s office growing up, because there was a huge, you remember those like giant, like pedestal glass, like fishbowl type things with a glass lid on the top. Wherever you went, those things were always stashed with candy and it was, it had a ton of candy. And I remember love going to my dad’s office, cuz I could always get some candy from that stash.

[00:03:49] You do not have to go far to find candy. In fact, it’s literally the opposite. You have to make a concerted effort to not consume it multiple times throughout the day. And, and it didn’t used to be this way when Sidney and I grew up hosted like.

[00:04:06] Sydney: It it’s true. It is. It is probably, it feels like it’s triple what it was growing up. I feel like it, the abundance of it. And, and I think that if I was gonna guess, I would guess that it’s probably triple from when our parents grew up too, that meaning, like we, we had three times the amount and I think that because the, the processing capability, the, the desire is there and it just keeps getting more and more and more.

[00:04:32] Nikki: Totally. And, there are other ways now that you can get sugar that is so pervasive that you’re like, oh my gosh, if it’s there, then it’s got to be everywhere. For example, envelopes

[00:04:45] Sydney: Yeah.

[00:04:47] Nikki: When you lick an envelope, the reason why you like sending a letter, if you ever do, which actually might do, my kids do write a lot of letters, but it’s, I always love they, they fight over licking the envelope. it’s because there’s sugar on the

[00:05:03] Sydney: even that did not used to be the case. Do you remember when it tasted disgusting?

[00:05:07] Nikki: I do.

[00:05:08] Sydney: I would like lick my finger and then like wipe it off. Who

[00:05:12] Nikki: No, they’re sweet. growing up, if I was sick, my parents would give me an Advil and I enjoyed taking it because it was sugar coated. And just to let you guys know, or if you have somebody that you love that smokes, they’re sugar and cigarettes.

[00:05:27] Sydney: so crazy. And what’s the number, Nikki. What’s the number? That’s like 180 pounds a year per.

[00:05:34] Nikki: 196.

[00:05:35] Sydney: 96 pounds a year

[00:05:37] Nikki: Mm-hmm

[00:05:37] Sydney: is the average

[00:05:38] Nikki: yeah, the per capita per person consumption.

[00:05:42] Sydney: And I might have like a half a pound a year. So somebody else is making up for my 196.

[00:05:49] Nikki: Yep. Absolutely. It is. It is. I mean, we’re not, we’re not going into, we’re not doing a, a sugar documentary here, but we’re just giving you guys a really quick introduction and a reminder of how easy it is to access sugar and. And where it is. It’s not just in things that are obviously sugary. If you look at your, packets of, ingredients like taco seasoning, or, just anything that comes in a package that you would not ever think had sugar in it, it does have sugar.

[00:06:27] You just need to assume that it’s there and be surprised if it isn’t.

[00:06:32] Sydney: It’s so it’s so crazy to consider. And I don’t want you to think that we’re also judging people that consume that much sugar, because it is what is available. and mostly, we just want to create awareness. We want you to feel like you are not crazy, that it’s hard to get away from sugar because it’s everywhere and you do have to make a concerted effort to make some progress in the opposite direction.

[00:07:00] And, and we wanted to talk about two things, two reasons why we’ve heard people say that it is hard to give up sugar other than it’s abundant. 

[00:07:10] Nikki: Is it even reasonable to give up sugar, because the way that we’re explaining it, it’s like giving up oxygen.

[00:07:18] Sydney: Mm-hmm

[00:07:18] Nikki: And actually that reminds me of a story of a client that I had, um, eight years ago. And I remember her because she is the only client that I have ever refunded her money.

[00:07:32] Because we started working together. She was a type two diabetic and, she purchased like a six month program with me and, we started working together and within the first two weeks of working together, we lowered her blood sugar number from two 40 down to one 40. and it was so exciting. She was on the path of being a type two diabetic for the rest of her life, which is why she reached out to me.

[00:08:00] And I went over to her house. This is before COVID you guys. So I was so part of my services included going to your house and helping you cook meals. And so we were cooking meals together and it was super fun. And she had, a special need son that was very much benefiting from her dietary changes as well.

[00:08:17] And. and it was amazing. It was so exciting. But after about three or four weeks of working together, even though there was so much improvement, her bowels improved, I mean, you guys, the list goes on, she was losing weight. She felt better. She looked better, but she just really got. She was terrified. She was terrified.

[00:08:39] She was like, I don’t know if I can do this forever. She was worrying about, she was worrying about things. It was like, let’s cross that bridge when we come to it, you know, let’s focus on The goal at hand here is to prevent you from becoming a type two diabetic for the rest of your life. But she described to me, she said sugar to me is like oxygen. She’s like, if I give it up, I feel like I will die. And she said, I cannot give up sugar because sugar is my number one form of happiness.

[00:09:13] Sydney: Wow.

[00:09:14] Nikki: would never heard somebody say that before. And I, and to this day, I’ve never had that experience of someone having that strong of an addiction to sugar. And I was. I was like, okay.

[00:09:29] I mean, it was just very clear. I was like, there’s no way that I’m gonna be able to help you at this time to overcome that. I feel like now eight years later, I’m a lot more equipped to help walk her, you know, talk her off the ledge. But I don’t even working for like two years. And I was like, oh my gosh, what.

[00:09:48] And so I was like, okay, well, I can’t like, I don’t wanna be responsible for taking away your happiness. And I don’t wanna be responsible for that. That’s like a little bit that’s too much for me to handle at this time. So I’m like, you can have your money back and like good luck. that was a pretty big eyeopening experience for me to hear somebody say,

[00:10:05] Sydney: It is crazy. And the other one that I hear, um, people comment is that it will diminish their ability to be social. That it’ll take away a little bit of. Connection like, but this is what I do with my kids. I go and we get ice cream, or this is what I do when I get together. Um, for a church gathering is there’s a lot of dessert and I want to not be the only one at the table without something, or.

[00:10:29] Nikki: we’ve talked about this before, like the Sunday night ritual that is almost as strong in the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints as, as going to church that day. , that is a very strong cultural and, and for good reason, it’s so good to go to church every Sunday, but just as strong as that ritual is having a dessert on Sunday.

[00:10:52] It just, I mean, like it is, it almost does not feel like Sunday, unless you have something sweet on Sunday night with

[00:11:01] Sydney: So true. So it, yeah. And, and, uh, it’s like, I don’t wanna give up my culture by giving up sugar. Cause, cause if you were going to say that there’s something cultural culture about being a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints. or even just being an American, it would be sugar . And I think especially strong for members of our faith because we follow, uh, health code, the word of wisdom.

[00:11:31] And in that health code, there are several addictive substances that we, that we avoid. And that by default, our go-to addictive substance is sugar. it’s.

[00:11:43] Nikki: yeah, Sid, I had a client last week. she’s not a member of the church, but her older sister is, and she said, I don’t get it. She says, why is it so bad for me to drink alcohol? If you are, if everyone in your church is addicted to sugar, I was like, I’m

[00:11:58] Sydney: Yeah.

[00:12:00] Nikki: I, it was a really good, it was a really good conversation starter, but I had, there was no defense for it.

[00:12:04] I just said, yeah, you’re right. The general population has a really big sugar addiction. I remember my grandpa too. He struggled with alcoholism for a really long time. And on and off, when he would try and get sober, he would default ice cream.

[00:12:19] Sydney: Yeah.

[00:12:21] Nikki: Because, and, and also you guys, if you have somebody that’s struggling with alcoholism, it’s not generally because of the alcohol it’s because of the sugar.

[00:12:30] Look at the sugar in those drinks. It is so high.

[00:12:34] Sydney: and here’s the other crazy thing. Let’s take it a step further and say that there might be an addictive element to sugar because sugar in your gut can turn into alcohol. And the reason why is because there are yeasts that grow in your gut and they love to eat sugar. And if you have an overgrowth of candida or yeast going on in your body, whenever you consume sugar, you can literally get a little bit drunk.

[00:13:01] Nikki: No, it’s no there’s studies done said that if, for example, like if you’re eating bread or something that you can’t digest, like these, the overgrowth of bad bacteria, you can take a breathalyzer test and you will be, you will be driving illegally because of how drunk you will be from eating that bread.

[00:13:19] Sydney: And I think that some of you can maybe recognize times that you may have felt this way a little bit where you’re kinda like, whoa, I just feel a little bit unbalanced or I feel a little bit like Spacey or a little, little crazy after eating something.

[00:13:34] Nikki: and that’s why they’re called comfort foods. Right? Sid, because if you are like, I, I can’t, I can’t relax unless I have my, whatever you like fill in the blanks, like peanut butter and jelly, or like, you know, like, or my, my casserole with my, my potatoes or, you know, like all of these carbs, you don’t feel like you can unwind unless you have these comfort foods and that.

[00:13:57] One of the reasons because you are producing alcoholic bacteria in your gut and it really is making you drunk.

[00:14:07] Sydney: So just so you know, we’re not a fan of drinking alcohol or eating sugar. Um, but it’s kinda funny that some people choose to unwind with a glass of wine at night and, and then maybe the rest of us are like, let me just feed my, my, you know, personal brewery and, and make my own

[00:14:24] Nikki: Yes. With your brownies or with your chocolate or with yeah. You name it.

[00:14:30] Sydney: I, I, we sound really judgey. We’re really not. We’re just trying to create awareness and here’s why we wanna

[00:14:35] Nikki: fill in the blank. No. Well, we’re not judging. We are reliving our own experience.

[00:14:41] Sydney: absolutely. And we’re not judging our past cells either. cause it’s so abundant and available, but we wanna give you a couple of ideas about why it’s totally possible to be able to back down from the amount of sugar that is offered and, and is the average we don’t, we feel like you can totally not eat 196 pounds of sugar in a.

[00:15:04] And here’s a couple of things. So we wanted to address some of the big things that we’ve talked about already, where there’s this social aspect of consuming sugar and there’s this happiness aspect of consuming sugar. Um, one of them is human connection. So that social, that social aspect, and it, it might, this might sound funny, but.

[00:15:22] Human connection has some, some aspects that happen in reality, where we’re in physical space with somebody that we’re, or we physically give someone a hug or a handshake or something like that. So there, there is some physical human connection that happens. But the majority of human connection actually happens in our mind.

[00:15:42] It’s the way we think about ourselves and other people. It’s the way we think about our relationships, whether we think we’re really connected with someone or not. And the point is that our human experience of connection happens a lot on our mind and that’s really, really good. Because if you’re trying to eat less sugar and you’re worried about what it will do to you socially, you just need to know that you have a lot of power to create and establish real human connection with just a little bit of mindfulness.

[00:16:11] So here’s a, here’s an example. If you’re at a church event and, uh, or a school event or something, there’s a lot of sugar. That’s offered to you. You have so many options of things to think. And like I was saying, human connection really happens. In your mind by the things you think. So let’s say you decide I’m not gonna have a dessert. I’m gonna maybe have, something else that they have to offer or not have anything. Then we have some water. I was just at a, a baptism last week and there was plenty of cookies and plenty of, brownies, like an abundance of them. And then they had water bottles. I’m like sweet.

[00:16:49] I can have water. And I was actually super happy about drinking water while well, They’re offering so much more, so I’m standing around with people, drinking my water bottle and they’re eating desserts, not everybody cuz actually there is some people there that maybe think similarly, and it was fun to have them to socialize with as well.

[00:17:08] But they’re not the only ones I talked to. Of course, like I was talking to whoever I wanted and. and if I would’ve thought this, so here’s a couple of things. I could’ve thought one of these would’ve driven my disconnection. so if I thought this is gonna make people think that I’m extreme and weird, it would tend to make me feel self-conscious and it would maybe even make me avoid the gatherings.

[00:17:30] So like, if I was really thinking that if I thought people are gonna think I’m weird, if I’m not eating the dessert, I probably wouldn’t have even gone in the room in the first place. I would’ve just gone home. I would’ve, I would’ve avoided that situation. The, the dessert afterwards altogether, and that would’ve probably driven my disconnection.

[00:17:50] Another one I could have thought is I bet there’s a lot of people that are in that room that I can talk to and show love for and have really fun conversations with that really need it.

[00:17:59] And I really need it. and I C I could even express my gratitude for what they’re offering me, be like, wow, thank you for making all these desserts. This looks like a lot of work and, and then get to work socializing and checking in with people. Like there’s just so many different numbers of thoughts that I could think.

[00:18:16] And, and usually for me, it, it is something like that. It’s something where I’m like, I’ve got me, I’ve got you future. I’m not going to eat the desserts because I know what it does. I know how it tastes. I know how it feels. I’m not gonna eat it. So I’ve got you my future self, but I also have you, all my friends that are in that room, I’m gonna come and talk to you and engage in that social connection with my bottle of water and not worry too much about what they’re thinking about me drinking water instead of having a dessert, because I love them.

[00:18:49] And I love. And so human connection is something that if you can kind of wrap your head around what that human connection is in your head and try to try to utilize the thoughts that drive human connection without sugar,

[00:19:05] Nikki: I wanna say to those of you out there that are thinking, yeah, that’s nice Sid, but like I’ve tried that and I give in every time let let’s address that concern. Yeah. Let’s, let’s address that concern for just a second. If you are re if you are a, if you’re an alcoholic, and you are, you are struggling and doing your best to recover and to stay sober.

[00:19:27] You don’t go to a bar and. Try and make human connection at a bar. you just don’t for the, for the time being. And so like, for those of you who are like, okay, but I, I, I, I don’t see how that’s possible for me at this time. There are still things that you can do. You still go to the baptism and then maybe this time.

[00:19:49] You just, you head home this time, you know what I’m saying? Like, like you don’t, you don’t. Yeah. Baby steps. Like what Sid is talking about here is the ultimate. Like, this is the ultimately sustainable way to, to nourish and to love and create human connection. But we totally get, and I’m saying this from experience,

[00:20:09] Sydney: You’re

[00:20:10] Nikki: like, you just don’t you wanna set yourself?

[00:20:13] For success. And so if you are in the baby stages, the beginning stages of trying to cut sugar or cut sugar out completely or cut back then it’s okay to say, I love me enough to not put myself in a situation that I’m going to. That is just gonna be too hard for the time being.

[00:20:33] Sydney: absolutely right. And that’s totally how it has happened for me. Meaning like I, baby steps my way to that as well. And. In that not going into where the desserts are doesn’t mean that you don’t have to be connected. There’s plenty of talking that happens before that as well. And, and that, uh, same thing, like for where my, my self control at the beginning started, had to start at the grocery store, meaning.

[00:20:57] I had to just choose what would be available to me in my pantry and that if I could choose at that point to not have anything that was tempting in my pantry or around me, it just made me more successful. so let’s talk for a second about happiness. Like you, you had that client that talked about that.

[00:21:15] That’s pretty, that’s a pretty strong, feeling there about sugar, creating happiness.

[00:21:19] Nikki: Yeah. And I really appreciated her honesty said looking back with, with most of my clients. It’s the connection and the, the idea or the thought, the feeling that your happiness comes from a certain substance, as opposed to from people.

[00:21:35] but that happiness coming from a certain substance is really pretty fundamental to how we think as humans. I don’t know if it’s always been that way or if it’s just our cultural.

[00:21:48] Uh, our cultural development in the processed food generation, I would really love to know how, you know, how our ancestors felt about, about food versus spending time with people. I think about like, if they had an unsuccessful hunt, Right. And like, what do they do afterwards? Yes, it’s sad. But then do they all go out in they’re separate caves and don’t talk to each other cuz they’re so depressed or, or do they do things that try and create even more of a connection because they don’t have that.

[00:22:19] They don’t have that food there to enjoy with each other. I don’t know. I’ve I’ve thought about it. I’ve thought about it a lot.

[00:22:25] Sydney: I love it. And I, I think that if I was to answer the question of. Whether or not, they sought happiness through, through substances, happiness, through, um, food, happiness, through whatever I, I thought about the difference between the higher brain and lower brain. And if you, if we talk about happiness and sugar or happiness without sugar, we really need to talk about the brain you, the higher brain and the lower brain.

[00:22:56] Happiness really comes in two forms. There’s like this long term, happiness, this oxytocin, and then there’s this short term happiness, which is dopamine. And it’s also called pleasure. I know that you don’t really think that giving up sugar is giving up happiness, but there is a part of your brain that does, and it, it is your lower brain and that lower brain.

[00:23:15] It was the one that is more of a reptilian brain. We have this higher brain and this lower brain and this reptilian brain, it’s amazing. It, it really takes, uh, it, he, it takes a lot less energy to keep us on track. It kind of. Has these three main goals, the three main goals of the lower brain, which takes less energy.

[00:23:33] Like the brain takes a lot of energy to use the higher brain. And, and so generally we default to the lower brain and the lower brain has three main goals that usually keep us alive and that these goals are seek pleasure, avoid pain. Conserve energy. You’re like, don’t do new things. Don’t do, things that are gonna make you have pain and then do things that, seek pleasure.

[00:23:57] And these are all really good. they drive us to eat food and hunt food. They drive us To have, a human connection and to reproduce, it drives us to do so many good things, the things that are good for us, but in this situation where we live in a society where it is abundant, there’s so much sugar everywhere.

[00:24:17] Some of these things can get us in trouble because seeking pleasure is so much more abundant. Like I would say that it’s like a hundred times more abundant than it was for our ancestors. so when our lower brain is like seek pleasure, avoid pain can serve energy. And the ways that we can do that right now at our fingertips, with our phones and at our fingertips at our refrigerators and our pantry might not be serving us. And so it’s just important to really note the goals of the lower brain.

[00:24:46] So you can. Interrupt and bring in the higher brain on purpose. it’s funny cuz cutting out sugar goes against all three of those goals of our lower brain sugar is the epitome of easy pleasure the lower brain, like we said, likes to conserve energy and seek pleasure. And so if it’s easy and it’s pleasurable.

[00:25:06] Double hit like, heck yes, let’s do that because that’s gonna keep us alive. The lower brain’s like you have to eat that brownie. We will live forever if you eat that brownie because the, the goal of that is to conserve energy and to seek pleasure. And that keeps us alive.

[00:25:24] Nikki: Does the lower brain think long term or short term? Sid,

[00:25:26] Sydney: Short term for sure

[00:25:28] yes, it does. It doesn’t have like a forethought, like that’s definitely higher brain is, is thinking in the future. So lower brain is like, you need to do things that are going to keep you alive and to the lower brain sugar hits on those things, because seeking pleasure, according to the lower brain does keep you alive long term because seeking pleasure a hundred thousand years ago, or a thousand years ago, Meant finding natural foods.

[00:25:54] It meant finding somebody to live with. It meant, you know what I mean, things that did keep you alive forever, but now where there’s an abundance of things that hit those dopamine buttons for the lower brain, that don’t keep you alive long term, but they still hit the same buttons that would’ve kept you alive a long time.

[00:26:13] And another one is that giving up sugar. means that we have to deal with emotions in other ways, which takes energy. It takes higher brain energy and, and the low brain doesn’t like that. So, so it’s kinda like when you give up sugar, you’re, you’re going against all three goals. And the, the other one is that there’s.

[00:26:29] Sometimes pain involved when we give up sugar there’s cravings and situations that are painful when we make that transition. And so just heads up lower brain is gonna be working against you, but nobody wants their lower brain in charge of all their decisions because, it works for most of our unconscious decisions.

[00:26:46] But there are so many instances, like we said, in this modern day where you are gonna wanna call on your higher brain to override the ideas that your lower brain is feeding you. So be aware of this internal struggle. It’s gonna be kind of like talking to a toddler in your head. You’re gonna be like, I know of course we want to eat that cookie, but we wanna also fill in the blank, the things you wanna do in the future.

[00:27:09] It’s gonna take more energy, but it is so worth it. And there are thousands, if not millions of ways to access happiness, and it will take a little effort from your higher brain to access them. But it’s totally possible. any, any practical tips sneaky? Like what about like, is it actually possible to give up sugar?

[00:27:26] What was that really mean?

[00:27:28] Nikki: it is totally possible to give up sugar. You. So many, so many all of my clients. So every time that SI night work with a client, one on one, we do a gut reset. It’s an insulin reset. It’s an everything reset where you don’t have sugar for two weeks. And, let me define what that means.

[00:27:46] And then I’m gonna share with you guys some mega success stories, because they’re just so fun. So when we, when Sid and I do our reset. giving up sugar means basically you’re just eating animal products for two weeks, because glucose is the end result of all carbohydrates. Any legumes that you eat, any raw leafy greens, any broccoli, any sweep of potatoe squash, anything that is a carbohydrate, the end result is glucose and that is sugar.

[00:28:16] And so when we talk about sugar, that’s, that’s what that means. So you need to consider the fact that like Cindy and I said breads, and even some like starchy vegetables, if you have gut dysbiosis, those turn into, they have the potential of feeding your bad bacteria and your gut. But here’s the other hand of it?

[00:28:37] white bread is not the same as kale and a biscuit is not the same as broccoli. So why is that the case? That is the case because whole food carbs have a lot more. Going for them then refined carbs. one of the biggest things is that because of all of the good things that they have in them, your body absorbs them totally differently.

[00:29:02] It’s a slower process. So it is not a floodgate, an onslaught of glucose in the bloodstream causing your body to think you’re in an emergency situation. Remember, we’ve talked about this so much and. Over producing insulin to get you out of that emergency situation. then you having an insulin reaction and having a total insulin crash, not an insulin crash, but like a blood sugar crash where you have no blood sugar in your system because you had an overproduction of insulin.

[00:29:30] So because of all of these amazing things in whole food carbohydrates, they are treated completely differently in your body. So know that everything is broken down into glucose, but whole food carbs have fiber. So it slows that down. They have phytonutrients, they have minerals and they have vitamins. And so instead of these whole food carbs, being like a withdrawal from a bank account, they’re actually making deposits in the way of these phytonutrients and minerals and vitamins.

[00:30:03] Whereas refined carbs, they just have energy. They have sugar. So it literally robs the body of its nutrient stores just to process the straight energy. And it creates huge problems for your metabolism. So like, for example, we’ve said before, it takes around 52 to 57 units of magnesium to process one unit of glucose.

[00:30:27] That’s crazy and magnesium is a relaxation, mineral calcium constricts, magnesium relaxes. And so if you just think about that, if you, if you’re holding onto a piece of white bread and you just, just, I used to with white bread, I used to squish it down and make it into a ball and eat it as a ball.

[00:30:49] Sydney: Same.

[00:30:51] Nikki: and now you have cake. Right. , that’s the same thing. It’s cake, but it’s squished down into a really dense ball. So if you’re eating that, that will deplete you of your magnesium because it doesn’t have any in it. And so you will wake up the next morning with less magnesium.

[00:31:08] and it creates problems. So then this also creates problems for your hormones and pretty much every other part of your body. This is a huge problem because you can only run off empty in a deficit for so long before you start really creating disease situations for yourself. So when we talk about what it means to give up.

[00:31:29] Right now for this period of time, we are talking about giving up carbohydrates that are missing all of those good things. White sugar, brown, white sugar. Corn syrup, agave nectar is in that category. You guys, sorry. I mean, it starts off natural, but the way that it’s processed, it is just as sugary. I’m using air quotes as white sugar, So that’s included in that category and artificial sweeteners as well. And so when we talk about giving up sugars, we’re not talking about giving up your whole food carbs, for this period of time. But remember, we did talk about earlier, like even, a really nutrient dense heirloom wheat, if you have got dysbiosis is gonna cause some problems.

[00:32:12] So, but just to keep things simple, when we talk about giving up sugar, those are the main culprits that cause the most harm to your body when you consume them 

[00:32:22] so here’s some client success stories, right? so I have been working with these clients right now and I have this sweet, sweet client and literally. Candy is, is an identity. And it’s, it’s a way that she identifies herself. It’s a way that she unwinds and she has all of these routine triggers that, that she likes to use.

[00:32:42] Um, her candy in, and one of them is going to the movies. She is like an avid movie goer, and she has this couple that she goes to the movies with all the time. It is like their reward in life. And they’ve been doing it for so many years and she’s like, okay, I don’t know how I’m going to be able to go to the movies and not get a diet.

[00:33:00] Movie popcorn and a box of candy, whichever one I’m choosing at the time. And I’m like, I mean, we’re talking, we’re talking like probably, I don’t know, 10 years of doing this. This is, this is a deeply ingrained identification for her. I just said, okay, You don’t have to give up your identity tomorrow.

[00:33:19] or even feel like you’re doing it, but can you please just be open to. Open to the fact that it could be different. I said, because you’re telling yourself that this is who you are. I said, but that’s just what you’re telling yourself. That’s not an actual truth. That’s not a reality. Can we just be open to something different?

[00:33:36] She said, okay, totally fine. it took about three weeks. She found some Lily’s, uh, these, uh, um, you know, they they’re sweetened with Stevie, the peanut butter. She found those and she’s like, oh my gosh, this is such a different experience. I only need three and I’m done. And I was like, oh my gosh. I mean, every time these success stories come in, you guys, I am just amazed.

[00:34:01] I’m amazed because I have full confidence that you guys can do this, but when you do, I’m like, oh my gosh, that’s a miracle. So

[00:34:10] Sydney: know.

[00:34:11] Nikki: it’s like wanna run across the country and give you a hug because I just am. So like, I even get teary. I’m like, I can’t believe that you had the courage to take a step in that direction. She started off with the Lils instead of the candy at the movies. And then eventually, because she knew she had the lilies and that they were so satisfying, she stopped getting the popcorn and then eventually she stopped getting the diet Coke.

[00:34:37] And then eventually the last movie that she went to she’s like, I didn’t even get anything. And I was like, what. I mean, I’m getting chills right now. Just thinking about it. I’m like, this is the most ingrained habit ritual self-identification thing in your life, literally. And you have changed it within a matter of months.

[00:34:58] I mean, that that’s crazy.

[00:35:00] Sydney: It’s so amazing. It is so fun what you’re capable of and, and, and we totally believe you can do it. We also recognize that it’s really hard and we hope that you, if you’ve made it to this point in the podcast, we wanted to make sure that you know, that we’re gonna be doing a week of no sugar. And it’s in the way that Nikki defined it.

[00:35:22] It’s where we’re not talking about giving up all carbohydrates. We’re talking about giving up white sugar. Brown sugar, the corn syrup, the agave nectar, the artificial sweeteners. We’re taking people for free for a whole week, giving you some support for a whole week, going through a week of no sugar. And it is, it is gonna be awesome.

[00:35:41] And we hope that you will sign up and join us. If you want to join us for that and get the tools, um, to help you succeed through that week, you need to go to our website, coaching. With Nikki and sydney.com/no sugar. And then I think you have to put another back slash after that. So coaching with Nikki and sidney.com/no sugar slash, we don’t have it linked on our main page.

[00:36:04] You just have to go to that. We’ll try to link it in the show notes and, uh, we really hope you’ll join us there. There’s so much possibilities for you when you start to use the tools of nutritional therapy and eating nutrient dense foods. Thank you for joining us. We will see you next week.

[00:36:23] Nikki: If you want to permanently change your lifestyle a really great place to start is with our sugar. 

[00:36:29] Sydney: It’s a free digital package that you can use to help you actually remember the five things that you need to be doing every day.

[00:36:37] Get the sugar bundle for free by going to coaching with Nikki and sydney.com backslash sugar. We’d love it. If you would rate and review us on apple podcasts, it will help us to reach more people. 

[00:36:51] Nikki: The information on this podcast has not been evaluated by the FDA and is not intended to diagnose, treat. Or cure any disease. It is not intended to be a substitute for the advice, treatment and or diagnosis of a qualified, licensed professional. 

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