[00:00:00] Sydney: Hey everyone. This is Nikki and Sydney. And this is episode 71. What you need to know about mold with our special guest, Megan Gump, a fellow functional nutritional therapy practitioner. this is fearless wellness, a podcast that has made for women who are experiencing hormone issues and who are feeling overwhelmed.
[00:00:20] Nikki: Here we will give you bite-sized tips to help you balance your hormones and nourish your body. So you can have more energy, and happiness. we’re your hosts, Nikki Walton.
[00:00:30] Sydney: And Sydney.
[00:00:31] Nikki: We want to be your health coaches. Ready? Let’s go.
[00:00:39] Sydney: And I am super excited about today’s episode because I recently did some testing in my home for mold. And I’m really excited to talk about the results from those tests. but first let’s start off with Nikki. Tell us how you and Megan met.
[00:00:53] Nikki: It was clandestined I had gone through the program and become a nutritional therapy practitioner, and then I couldn’t get enough. And I had to be a group leader. I think I was a group leader for like, Three years after that, it was just so fun to be in the same room as students and to feel their excitement, learning the same things that I had learned the year before and to help guide them and to help just be a support forum and be like, you guys you’ve got this and so I was able to be, um, well, and in Sydney, Megan, you actually don’t know this.
[00:01:30] I helped Sydney with her program too.
[00:01:33] Megan: Oh, cool.
[00:01:34] Nikki: yeah. Going through the program.
[00:01:36] Sydney: me to it. It
[00:01:37] Nikki: Yeah. And then helped you get some of your hours, cuz she wasn’t able to go to one of the conferences, but anyway, so that’s how we met. And then it was after Harvey that I started to become super interested and mold. And so I signed up for a weekend conference at, um, great Plains labs and low and behold and I was.
[00:01:56] So nervous to be there. I felt way outta my league, but I was like, I’ve gotta learn this stuff. And this glowing shows
[00:02:08] reconnect and we’ve just kind of stayed in touch here and there. So that’s the story.
[00:02:13] Megan: Yep. Yeah, that was awesome. I know. I actually ended up group leading one year and it was awesome. I had so much fun.
[00:02:19] Nikki: You did. I didn’t know that it is. It’s so fun. It’s just like, it’s like reliving all of the good and none of the stress from when you were a student.
[00:02:26] Megan: yep. Yeah. And I got to hang out with Kathy for a whole weekend all over again. It was just an incredible experience. So it
[00:02:33] Nikki: So fun. So Megan, now tell us about, you give us some background on your experience and why you like working with mold.
[00:02:42] Megan: Yeah. So mold actually just kind of fell in my lap one day. I think how a lot of us end up getting into our niches, it’s kind of just like something that we went through or just showed up through personal experience or whatever. Um, and so I was actually working for another functional medicine practitioner who.
[00:03:04] Had a mold exposure in his house that he had just built got really, really sick him and his family all were dealing with like mold toxicity issues, um, his wife and his kids. And so from working with him and then us like diving into. All of the things, right? Because of course, as like F and TPS, functional medicine practitioners, like we just soak up this stuff like sponges, and we’re just excited to learn about it and help other people.
[00:03:34] But when something happens to you, you just like focus on that thing and research and talk to all the people that, you know, they’re experts in that area and learn all the things that you can to help yourself and your family. And, um, so that’s basically what we did with him and just through that experience and that process of like, okay, so now he’s got mold in is brand new, super nice non-toxic house that he built, like, how did this happen?
[00:04:00] Why did this happen? What are the correct ways to inspect for it? What are the correct ways to test? What are the correct ways to do remediation? And then of course, like how do you create protocols to get the mold toxins out of your body? So that’s really like what opened this whole avenue for me was just that experience of working with him and going through that pretty, pretty deep.
[00:04:25] And then, so from just working with him and then we started, you know, he has a, um, of like top 10 health podcasts out there as well. So he was talking about it all on his podcast. And so we got a flood of people that are like, I think I’m dealing with mold, like all these symptoms and your experience and everything.
[00:04:44] So just from that, we, I mean, I’ve worked with hundreds of clients, um, at this point on mold, mold toxicity and all the related things. And so it’s just been a journey. Um, so learning about all, you know, the protocols and everything that comes with it and all the to-dos and whatnot. And then oddly enough, um, several years later we actually bought a home in Dallas and had mold in our home so my husband.
[00:05:12] My daughter, um, started having symptoms. I mean, I did myself as well, but not as bad as, as they were. So of course it’s like, okay, I’m I’m, I know how to do and address all of these things, but it’s just a totally different ballgame when it’s like you and your family and your addressing it on a more personal level versus your clients and in clinical practice.
[00:05:33] And so. That’s been my experience. It’s been about five years now since the initial, um, exposure in the guy’s house that I was working for. And then now with my family. And so it’s just been talking to all the professionals out there, you know, learning about the correct way to do inspections and remediations and what to look for and all the protocols and supplements and things to.
[00:05:56] So it has been a journey, but at this point, I mean, I’ve helped hundreds of people. Um, I love working with kids and adults and it’s just really cool to have all the knowledge that I do to help, you know, everyone with, with mold and with anything that they might be struggling with because of mold. So,
[00:06:11] Sydney: I love it. And I have
[00:06:12] Nikki: I cannot wait to pick your brain.
[00:06:14] Sydney: I know I have so many questions.
[00:06:16] Nikki: keep going.
[00:06:17] Sydney: we’re gonna, we’re gonna try to keep this, you know, like 1 0 1 level still, right? So that those listening will understand. I’ve kind of the one thing that I’ve wondered about mold is because I’m not a germophobe, but mold is like a different beast.
[00:06:31] And so I’ve, but I’ve often thought like, well, what, what’s the big deal? Like, why is it, is it just because of our modern day, our modern toxicity levels, all these kind of things. Um, and like, Was it not a thing for ancestors? Like, did they have mold exposure? I’m sure they did. And it seems like maybe, maybe when our way, way back ancestors, maybe they didn’t as much like, because they probably slipped in the open air.
[00:06:54] Maybe it’s like a house thing. Maybe it’s a house problem. So I’m just kind of curious, what are those, like, what are the most common ways for people to be exposed to
[00:07:02] Megan: Yeah. Bingo. Well, so I think to your point, um, you know, It’s not that long ago in the history of mankind where we started building these tight, you know, houses made out of basically mold food, right? Everything is wood drywall. We’ve got, um, poor air ventilation, right? We’ve got humidity of these buildings.
[00:07:28] We’ve got water infiltration. Um, and this is only like in the, you know, Late 1800 early, 19 hundreds, where we really started bringing all of these different building materials. And then also to your point, definitely toxins. You know, if you look at like PubMed and other studies, there are there’s research out there that is showing that these molds are becoming like super molds because of all the glyphosate, pesticides, herbicides, and insecticides that we’re using on our crops and in our soil.
[00:07:56] Um, so that’s just kind of more of like an environmental piece, but I definitely do think that. We have created this mold issue from the way that, you know, we are building our houses and the way that we’re living. Getting into like why people struggle with mold. We can definitely get into a little bit later in terms of like toxicities and all the other things.
[00:08:16] But I think the most common ways that you can get exposed to mold is so the most common is water damage buildings, right? So, um, one in three homes, offices, buildings in America actually have a water event per year. And so that leads to water damage. So just think about a roof leak or a pipe that breaks, or like the kitchen sink, like leaks underneath, or you got a bathroom issue.
[00:08:43] Um, the sealants on the windows, like that’s not sealed water can get in there. Penetrates gets the wood, gets to the drywall wet. That’s how people, you know, have issues of mold in their, in their homes. Um, but also too, like there’s just no, Safe building. So it only takes 48 hours for mold to grow on a surface.
[00:09:04] So if there’s any kind of water, mold can grow essentially within 48 hours and then you’ve got a problem because then the molds basically create, um, mycotoxins right. It’s kind of like what they fart or what they poop. It’s like this toxin that you breathe in that gets you sick and that can only take 48 hours after any kinda water happens.
[00:09:23] Um, but think about like your childhood home. So I, you know, have a lot of clients when we’re trying to find the source of their mold because maybe their house is not the problem. So like a childhood home could definitely be an issue where, you know, your parents weren’t really mindful about this kind of thing.
[00:09:40] Um, It was moldy, uh, schools unfortunately are super moldy. So I’ve got a lot of clients that are kids and they’ll have, you know, focus concentration, a D D HD, all kinds of issues. And we end up testing their school and their schools got issues. Or even you could just kind of see it when the parent goes to visit, if the HVAC like return, um, Air conditioning vent.
[00:10:04] There’s like black, or if there’s water stains on the ceilings, you can kind of get an idea that there’s probably a mold issue, or sometimes you can even talk to the staff and the teachers about previous water intrusions or water damage, um, events. And they’ll tell you about that kind of stuff. The other thing that’s notorious is like apartments, um, condos, town homes.
[00:10:25] So places that unfortunately people rent because the management. Just doesn’t do what they need to do to take care of, you know, a water event, right? Like something happens and they basically just do whatever the minimum is. They need to clean it up, um, paint over it typically. Right. They cover it up. So that’s a really common way you can get exposed to mold, um, your office.
[00:10:48] Uh, the other thing is unfortunately like hospitals and doctor offices. So same thing. There’s just so much going on in those giant buildings that if they have a, a water leak, Some kind of condensation in the HVAC system, you know, there can be a mold accumulation that they’re just unaware of and that can, um, infiltrate all of the rooms.
[00:11:09] And that can be a really big problem. So grocery stores, hotels, I mean, think about like those dinky hotels that you’ve probably stayed in. If you’re road tripping and you just need some more quick to stay for the night and you’re like, man, this place smells weird. I can feel something funky going on.
[00:11:25] Right. I mean,
[00:11:26] Sydney: when they check in, I’m like, can I go smell the room first before I commit to
[00:11:30] Nikki: I do the same thing.
[00:11:31] Megan: Yeah. A hundred percent. Um,
[00:11:35] Nikki: So, so yeah, those, so that conclusion is buildings is what you’re saying.
[00:11:39] Megan: yeah, so, so
[00:11:40] Nikki: most common exposure.
[00:11:41] Megan: Yeah, so grandma’s house. But the other thing that people also typically don’t tend to think about is mold Love’s organic material. So you can actually get exposed to mold from like going to the library and running library books. Right? Cause if those books have been rented out by other people and they’ve gone to their moldy houses and they get checked back in the library and you’re flipping through the pages, you can get a mold exposure that way.
[00:12:01] Old, uh, musical instruments that are made outta wood. So depending on what that mold or Wood’s been exposed to. So that’s something else. So, um, taxidermy in people’s homes, so people that love to hunt and then they get their awesome deer head or whatever mounted on their wall. Those can actually become moldy.
[00:12:20] So there’s a lot of places. You can get exposed to mold that people just don’t think about. And that’s just something you have to dive into with your clients, but also educate people about, cause it’s not necessarily just a building, it can be your car, it can be your air conditioning system and your car.
[00:12:33] It can be the carpets in your car, you know, um, all kinds of stuff. And people also think about food. Grains coffee, stuff like that can definitely be a, a moldy contaminated source. It’s it’s kind of minimal. It’s definitely not as big as like the water damage buildings and other sources. And then one other source that people just don’t typically tend to think about is mom.
[00:12:54] So you can actually get mycotoxins plus through the placenta to baby, to the unborn fetus. And then that baby’s actually just born with a toxicity.
[00:13:07] Sydney: Terrified. I’m just kidding. I’m not, I think that there’s hope, right? Like
[00:13:12] Nikki: okay. Hold on. Yeah. Hold on. Your seats, everybody.
[00:13:16] Megan: There is hope there are solutions. These are just sources. It’s just important to know that this is a common way of exposure and it is something that is possible.
[00:13:26] Nikki: Yes. And all the more reason to include nutritional therapy as a lifestyle, because as we’re gonna keep discussing, Megan will tell us that that is the way that is the solution. So now you know that this is a huge, huge exposure. Way of getting exposed. Let’s talk about how to recognize it and what you can do about it.
[00:13:46] So this question is going to be super interesting to discuss. I would love to know some of the typical complaints, like you were saying, like when you guys had mold in your home or when, or when the, the other. Person you were working with had mold exposure. What are some of the typical complaints of someone who has high levels of mold, exposure, exposure?
[00:14:04] And I know that we had talked previously about it, that it’s hard to kind of delineate because it looks similar to lime. Is I, is, is that what you were saying before? Walk me through, walk me through all of the fun stuff about that.
[00:14:16] Megan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, so I think the biggest thing is like at the end of the day tests don’t guess, right? Like there’s a lot of amazing, comprehensive, functional labs out there that you can test for mycotoxins in. You can also test for Lyme Herber and Lyme co-infections. So tests don’t guess like find a functional medicine practitioner or F NTP that you can work with and like figure that out.
[00:14:38] Um, but so in terms of, you know, symptoms and what people might express when they get exposed to mold and have a mold toxicity going on, so you have to kind of think about the body systems and how mold affects those different body symptoms to. Uh, affects the systems to create symptoms, right? So, um, one mold, weekends, the immune system.
[00:15:01] So if you have a weak immune system, um, your gut is gonna be more susceptible to infections, you know, pathogens, right? So bacterial overgrowth, H pylori, if you’ve got H Hilo, you’ve got an issue with low stomach acid or a hydro chlorohydrate. Right. Which can cause a whole lot of other, uh, issues like maldigestion and whatnot.
[00:15:20] So then you’ve got poor nutrient absorption.
[00:15:23] Nikki: Um,
[00:15:23] Megan: It can also affect the brain. So a lot of people will have changes in their neurotransmitters, like their serotonin and dopamine. So, um, if you’ve got changes in dopamine, especially like low dopamine, people will have like lack of energy, lack of drive, lack of focus.
[00:15:42] Um, if you’ve got low serotonin, of course you can have a lot of like worry anxiety. Low self-esteem PMs. Um, you can have a lot of like sleep disturbances. So then you start getting into like insomnia and other sleep concerns. Um, even irritability and depression. And then also serotonin, we mostly make in our gut.
[00:16:02] So you can go back to mold affecting the gut, affecting serotonin, you know, affecting neurotransmitters. Um, and then also dopamine levels in the brain of mice have been shown to be decreased after the exposure of ochratoxin a, so there’s a lot of studies that show mold in how it’s affecting these neurotransmitters.
[00:16:21] Um, if you think about your mitochondria, right? So of course, if you go back to school, like the powerhouse of the cell that makes ATP or energy. So mold damages, your mitochondria, and it creates less AP ATP production, which is boom fatigue. Right? So a lot of people that struggle with chronic fatigue, actually it could be from like a mold toxicity issue, which is something that I think a lot of people are not talking about are looking into, which is interesting.
[00:16:52] Um, so it was actually a study, um, by brewer who tested 112. Of his patients, they did urine samples for mycotoxins and 104 had a least one mycotoxin. So 93% of his patients with chronic fatigue had a GLE one mycotoxin found in their urine. So there’s a pretty strong correlation with mold toxicity and chronic fatigue.
[00:17:16] And that’s just, you know, if you’re dealing with chronic fatigue and you’ve tried all these things, go look at mold for sure. Another system is the adrenals, right? So mold causes stress in the body. We know that it causes HPA access dysfunction. Um, ochratoxin a, uh, from aspergillus and penicillin, it is very toxic to the kidneys.
[00:17:40] So a lot of people will have like urinary dysfunction. It can even lead to kidney disease and other adverse like neurological effects, but the kidneys are definitely something that’s affected, um, your skin. So, you know, commonly with mold toxicity, people think about like itchy skin rashes. Um, you can even have other fungal infections that will come.
[00:18:03] With a mold toxicity, because mold is just kind of one piece of the puzzle. It usually brings its other friends along like candida and other fungal and yeast issues. So you can even have something like eczema or psoriasis that’s because you know, you’ve got mold toxicity in your system. So, um, Commonly people think about respiratory symptoms, right?
[00:18:25] So your lungs are gonna be affected, have a lot of like sinus infection, sinus, um, issues. Of course we know it damages the liver, the cardiovascular system. So when you think about just mold, exposure and symptoms, you gotta think about all these different systems that are being affected. And basically the entire body can have some kind of damage or effect from.
[00:18:48] Mold exposure, which is pretty wild. Um,
[00:18:53] Sydney: Are, are there some people that are more affected by mold in the world? Um, I, I think that I’m thinking, I’m thinking some things out of our control, like genetics, but then especially things inter control, like lifestyle, um, are so are there some more affected, uh, than others? And why do you think that might be the.
[00:19:13] Megan: Yeah. A hundred percent. So if you look at genetics, like what you mentioned, so think about like Mt. H F R or, um, the HLA Dr. Gene. Right? So if you’ve got that gene, you’re gonna be more susceptible to mold. If you’ve got MTFR, you’re gonna be a port detoxifier. So you’re gonna have a hard time getting all those toxins outta your body anyways.
[00:19:32] Um, and then also you have to think about like other. Components or features that someone already is harboring when they get exposed to mold. Right. So that could be toxicities. That could be heavy. Metals, chemicals, glyphosate, pesticides, um, plastics, rubbers, right? Other toxicity, other compounds, um, parasites, or kind of like what I mentioned earlier, when you.
[00:20:02] I guess mold affects the gut, but the gut could already have H pilori or E coli or Giardia or bacterial overgrowth or candida yeast. Right. So then you get exposed to mold and that’s just gonna. Hyper exaggerate everything. Um, you could have other stealth infections, like you could have Lyme and also to go back to your question and answer, um, so a couple thoughts on mold and Lyme.
[00:20:28] is, it’s kind of like the chicken or the egg, you know, a lot of people will actually have lime, but maybe those, um, symptoms are not expressing themselves as much. But then when you get exposed to mold and since mold really suppresses the immune system that gives the lime, uh Burelli or BIA Bartella, whatever it might.
[00:20:51] The opportunity to really express itself. Right? So you’ve got a lot of people that they might be dealing with symptoms that look like both. And again, it goes back to testing, figure out what it is, right. It could be a little bit of both, and it could be the mold suppressing, the immune system, allowing that, that lime to express itself.
[00:21:07] Um, another factor is that both lime and mold, um, Create a lot of oxidative stress. So they affect the cells and the mitochondria. And this is how symptoms can look similar is because they both have similar features in that sense. So that was just to answer your, your previous question. Uh, but, um, yeah. In terms of people being affected by mold, I mean, I think that there’s a lot of factors.
[00:21:34] Um, I think another one is like trauma. So people who have a lot of nervous system dysregulation, that can be a, a huge, huge contributing factor. Cuz the nervous system controls, digestion, immune function, your reproductive system energy. Right? So if you, or someone that grew up in an abusive home, or you’ve got a lot of childhood trauma or even adult trauma, you’re in a toxic relationship and then you and your crazy narcissistic boyfriend move into a new apartment.
[00:22:03] That’s moldy. You’re probably gonna get really, really sick because of all of that nervous system, dysregulation and trauma. Right? So. A lot of factors, vitamin deficiencies, um, malnutrition. Right? If you’ve got H pylori, low stomach acid, boom, you’ve got malnutrition ex get exposed to mold. That’s gonna be worse for you than for someone else.
[00:22:26] Um, other diseases or conditions, if you’re a big drinker, like a drug user, for sure. If you get exposed to mold, that’s gonna be problem. People that are also on a lot of like pharmaceutical medications. I think there can be a lot of synergistic effects with other chemicals in the system. So that’s also something to consider.
[00:22:45] So, and I think there’s also too, just a lot that we still don’t know about this kind of stuff, but, um, that’s, I think the majority of like what really affects. Mold in different individuals is like, what is already going on in your body? You know, what other toxicities, what are infections? What other traumas?
[00:23:05] Um, it’s just a big puzzle piece and everyone’s a little bit different.
[00:23:11] Nikki: Wow. so it’s, well, it just speaks, it just speaks to, it just speaks to what we’re doing, right. The body isn’t, uh, isn’t just a bag of separate pieces. It’s all connected. And so if you have, if you have this one underlying cause obviously it’s going to affect the entire body. And like you said, looking at the different Systems, you’re gonna be able to see how just this one eye underlying factor can affect all of these different symptoms. So it’s not necessarily intimidating as it is incredible to understand that the body is a whole. And that everything interacts with everything else. And so when you start to dive deep into eradicating your mold and to getting it out of your body, even if you’re just focusing on the gut, for example, let’s start there, cuz that’s our favorite place to start.
[00:24:01] But if you’re, if you are starting to heal your gut, it’s gonna affect your brain. It’s gonna affect your muscles. It’s gonna affect everything. So conversely, just like mold affects everything. When you start to heal that also affects everything.
[00:24:15] Megan: Yes, it’s a domino effect.
[00:24:17] Nikki: Yeah, so just it’s a domino effect for bad and it’s a domino effect for good.
[00:24:21] So I like that. I like understanding that yes, it affects the whole system. And so when you start to heal the system, just with whatever, with whatever steps you start to do, it’s going to be a good domino effect in the opposite direction to help heal your system.
[00:24:35] Megan: Yes. Yeah. I, I, I agree. And there’s so many things that people can do, right? Like, of course you can change your diet, remove the glyphosate, the pesticides, the herbicides, all those chemicals. Um, all of those chemicals also just completely destroy our beneficial gut bacteria, which we need those good, beneficial gut bacteria.
[00:24:54] To keep away the bad guys and to help our body detoxify and to get rid of mold. So, um, you can start with your diet. You can start with your water, right drink, good, clean filtered water. A lot of the contaminants that we find through stool testing and urine testing can actually be found in your local.
[00:25:10] Tap water. And of course, bottled water too. So like start there, change the air filters in your home once a month, get an air purifier, especially in your bedroom, start cleaning up your indoor air, right? Get rid of all your fragrance. Like all of those factors will definitely help your body move in the right direction towards healing.
[00:25:29] But ultimately at the end of the day, if you’ve got mold toxicity, it is just. It is a stronger piece that definitely takes more diligent work. You know, you’ve really gotta be super mindful about, um, protocol, right? Binders, antioxidants, sweating, sauna, all of these other things. Because if you just try to clean up your diet and try to drink better water and get out of the moldy environment.
[00:25:53] Yeah. That’s gonna be super helpful, but mold is just one of those things. Really can take time, you know, um, Dr. Neil, Nathan, just one of the mold experts in the industry. I mean, he says in his book toxic, which is an incredible book. If you’re interested to learn more about mold. All of the things, but six months to two years to three years, you know, it can take for someone living in a perfectly clean environment, knock and expos mold to actually get all of that mold out of your system.
[00:26:21] And the other thing that people have to keep in mind and consider. Is your body can also become a mold factory. So when you get exposed to mold, yes, you are breathing in those microtoxins those mold toxins that you need to address and need to get outta your body, cuz they’re wrecking havoc and damaging your cells and your organs and whatnot.
[00:26:39] But also too, some of that fungal mold, um, component can actually get into your body and start colonizing so it can start growing. And so you can actually look for this on an organic acids. And you can test for aspergillus and fusarium. And if you see actual colonization, that’s just a whole different ballgame, cuz then you really need to go in, start using those antifungal, shut that factory down.
[00:27:04] And then you also still have to get rid of all the toxins
[00:27:08] Sydney: It’s such. It’s so good to be aware of. I love it. I. Do have like about a hundred more questions for you
[00:27:14] Megan: yeah.
[00:27:15] Sydney: and actually get, I I’d love to pick your brain about a specific situation. So I’m kind of like, I I’m aware of mold. I try to keep the house, you know, as clean as possible. Um, Like free from mold and, and water, you know, situations and, and good cleanup afterwards.
[00:27:32] And we use, um, ozone occasionally, and some, some of these things like this, um, but I am still a baby in terms of testing for it. And like, kind of like what you do, like the protocol for mold. And so recently I was visiting a clinic and they were spraying the air. They were fogging the air with kind of like a anti mold, like a natural anti mold.
[00:27:52] Uh, So I was asking them about it and I went to their website and I bought some of their stuff, including some test kits. So they come with Petri dishes and you’re supposed to kinda like test different places in your home and see if any colonies grow. So I tested, I’ve only done two and I’m sure I like, I might have made mistakes doing these, but one, I did it in my room.
[00:28:12] On like the middle of my bed. I kept like the, the HVAC system going so I could see if there’s anything coming in from there. And then the other thing I did is I got a Q-tip and I swabbed the inside of my nose and I wiped that on another Petri dish. And. I might have made a mistake with one of these, but then like, you know, five days later you see, you kinda like package them up and you like five days later, you check in on them, the bedroom one had nothing.
[00:28:37] Like I was expecting there to be like a lot or some or something, but it was like nothing. It was perfectly clean. And I was like, maybe these are filthy. So then I opened the one from my nose swab and there’s like five colonies growing there from my nose swab. And I was. Kind of like wanted to throw up first and like second, I was like, I hope I did it.
[00:28:56] Right. Like maybe I need to repeat, make sure I have like a really clean Q-tip or something like that. Make sure it’s not one from a package that was already opened or something. But anyway, so like is there, is there kind of like a, a, a very simple way to maybe like go from not knowing anything about mold to like start.
[00:29:17] We talked a little bit about it, but is there anything else, any tests you recommend or, or protocols you like to like in, I know that you don’t have time to give us like the full thing, but you know, just kind of getting, getting our listeners started.
[00:29:31] Megan: Yes. Well, so I think you did a great job with gravity Petri plate testing, because that is actually what I use in my practice. Um, there’s an amazing company outta Albu Albuquerque called Lytics. I don’t know. Who you use for your testing, but Lytics is absolutely amazing. JW BVA is a chemical engineer who started the company, just incredible guy with over 20 years of, um, laboratory experience.
[00:30:00] And he’s just super, super awesome, great guy to talk to. But anyways, um, immuno Alytics does gravity Petri plate testing? And I’ve spoken with JW BVA about the difference between doing like gravity, um, like spore collection and like IIE, like dust samples. And he’s got all the science and stuff behind it.
[00:30:19] But when you talk to him, it’s like, all right, you know, I’m doing the gravity plates, cuz I think that’s a really good place to start to just get some kind of information. Right. Um, IIE and a lot of the other testing can be really expensive. and like with anything else, there’s flaws in all of our, you know, um, labs and reports that we do.
[00:30:36] But after talking to him, he just saw too many flaws in something like IMI. So that’s why he created Lytics. And so I think that’s honestly a really great place for people to start. Um, you can grab a couple of those gravity plates and then same thing, like what you did. I think the bedroom is a wonderful place to test because that’s where you’re sleeping.
[00:30:56] You’re spending a ton of time there. And then the other thing would be to test like your office or your living room or your kitchen. Um, places that you spend a lot of time or places that you have a concern about. So even like you could test your, your car, um, your office, where you work. And then the other thing about gravity plate testing that I learned from Michael McNat, who is a, um, environmental indoor specialist that does mold inspections here in Dallas.
[00:31:24] He gave me the trick. So with gravity bleachy plate, you wanna put the plate on the floor? Because it’s catching the spores that are dropping to the ground, right? So sometimes if you do it on a higher level, you’re gonna miss stuff, that’s dropping to the floor. And then the other thing that you can do is you can do a disturbed air test.
[00:31:40] So you can actually grab like a piece of paper, Manila folder, and you can walk around the room and just lightly like fluff the air, you know? Right. Like kind of wave, waft it on the, towards the floor and then give it about five minutes to let everything settle a little bit and then go put your gravity plate on the floor and see what it.
[00:31:58] So, um, I think that’s a wonderful way if people are just like, I wanna start somewhere. I just wanna see if this is issue or not. Um, the gravity plates are inexpensive, you know, I know immuno Alytics, they’re like $33 each to send it in to get a analytical report. And I think they’re like $3. If you just.
[00:32:16] Wrap it up in some fo and throw it in your cabinet and keep it there and then look at it yourself. So they’re pretty inexpensive. Um, and then yes, there’s a lot of companies that I work with and recommend that it’s all citrus, you know, essential oil plant based, uh, products. So there’s no toxins, no chemicals that you can use to treat your home, to get rid of mold and even things like Canda and bacteria and other things like that.
[00:32:40] So that’s a good
[00:32:41] Sydney: I’d love to hear. Which one, if do you have any like top two that you love for listeners? If they wanna look up a.
[00:32:47] Megan: Yes. So, uh, Jeff book out at bio balance. Incredible company. And that is one of the products that we use. They have a MIS kit, so it’s kind of like a little lighter version. It’s like this little Ghostbuster machine, that’s got a little strap and you walk around the house and you spray everything room to room, um, incredible company.
[00:33:09] And, um, we also use citrus safe, which is another company that they have a lot of. Candles, laundry detergent. They’ve got supplements and glutathione and all that kind of stuff too. But we use more of like, there are shampoos, uh, to get it outta your hair, off your body. They have pet shampoo for your animals.
[00:33:28] So animals can definitely be carriers of like mold, mold, spores, Canda, right. All up in their fur. So that’s a really good thing to use. Um, their candles are wonderful, so you can do like the bio balance mist, and then in between there use the candles to help, uh, with the environment and then their laundry detergent.
[00:33:47] We actually use to wash all of our like bedding and sheets, stuff like that because as humans, and if you have animals, you know, animals or carriers of candida, um, which is a yeast, which is in the fungi family, which is all part of the mold, you know, Party, so to speak. Um, we actually off gas caned into our environment.
[00:34:09] So a lot of people will see Canda, especially in their bedrooms where they’re spending a lot of time where they’re sleeping, coming from their pets. So, um, the laundry detergent’s awesome to clean all of that kind of stuff. But yeah, those are, those are my favorites. We do Alytics for testing. We do bio balance now in stitch safe for cleanup.
[00:34:24] And then of course, you know, the thing with mold is if you actually have contaminated material. So if you have mold growing. On a surface in your home or office or wherever it might be. You just have to remediate, you know, no matter how much bio balance hour such or safe you use, it’s not gonna clean it up.
[00:34:41] You gotta get rid of that. So that’s the number one thing to do.
[00:34:46] Sydney: So helpful.
[00:34:47] Nikki: So good. I love it. this is fantastic. So I, I mean, Sid, do you have any more questions? I’m. Gonna go out and get that stuff. Oh, we just bought Cindy was re recommending an ozone. Is it called an ozone machine,
[00:35:03] Megan: Yeah.
[00:35:03] Sydney: Ozone generator.
[00:35:04] Nikki: ozone generator. Is that helpful for mold
[00:35:07] Megan: Yes, yes. So you can, you can treat your home. Um, with ozone, uh, people with mold toxicity actually will also do like MoSo ozone treatments for their nose, their ears, um, anal like rectal. So yeah, ozone is a really good modality.
[00:35:25] Nikki: Awesome.
[00:35:26] Sydney: let him both.
[00:35:27] Nikki: Ours just came. Ours just came yesterday and we did it in our car. And I’m, I’m really excited to do it in our house. So that’s really good
[00:35:34] Megan: Yeah. Very
[00:35:34] Nikki: well spent.
[00:35:35] Megan: Yes. Agreed.
[00:35:37] Nikki: awesome. Megan, I’m so excited. So glad that you were here today. I hope you guys are all now. Just feel insanely educated about mold and you’re gonna go out and get the gravity plates.
[00:35:47] I know I am. Cuz I’ve heard of immuno Lytics and I’ve been wanting to do it now. I’m incredibly motivated.
[00:35:54] Megan: Yes. Yeah. And so, and, and also too, just, um, you know, the gravity plates are wonderful to look into your home, but also I don’t wanna discourage people to also look for, um, a practitioner to work with, to do like testing for themselves. So that’s also another really big, important piece of the puzzle because.
[00:36:16] You can actually test your home and it comes back clean and you’re like, why am I dealing with all these symptoms? Like what’s going on and kind of to relate to what I said earlier. Like you could be dealing with mold toxicity from a childhood house that you grew up in and it’s carried around with you for 20, 30, 40 years.
[00:36:33] So, um, the most important test that you can run is the mic OOX urine. M Y C O T O X MIT urine test. Uh, I really love the organic acid test too. Cuz then you can look for that colonization, you know, your body being a mold factory. You can also look at mitochondria so you can look for mitochondrial damage, which we know happens when the body’s exposed to mold.
[00:36:56] You can look for some of those B vitamin deficiencies. So those two tests are like home runs to really dive into, um, you know, your own health and to look in and see what’s going.
[00:37:07] Nikki: That is so I I’ve had, I’ve had a little bit. A little bit of experience working with clients with mold and those tests are super helpful. Like, because you can see, okay, your exposure’s been really high from the mycotoxin test, but then from the oat, you, you can see it’s not systemic. That was one client.
[00:37:25] It was like, she had a really big exposure, but it hadn’t like colonized, like you said, throughout her whole body. So it was like this nice breath of fresh air. It was like, okay, we’re not dealing. This huge insurmountable problem was like, we had a big exposure. We know what to do. And so like you’re yeah, like you said, it is getting those two tests together can be super helpful.
[00:37:44] Megan: Yeah. Yeah. And also too, um, just another note, like breast implants are a huge mold. Uh, Magnet I wanna SP I wanna say, so I always ask my clients about breast implants, other implants, because mold typically tends to grow around those. Um, so if you’re having some really weird symptoms and you’ve looked into everything and you have breast implants or any kind of like silicone or other implant, you could potentially have mold growing around that.
[00:38:14] So those are really good to get looked at. And honestly, if you can get ’em removed.
[00:38:18] Sydney: S probably for multiple reasons. I had no idea. That’s so crazy. So like recapping it’s a mold is an issue , especially in our modern day, Petri dish houses and awareness is critical. Fear is not. Because there’s a lot of things you can do, changing lifestyle using nutritional therapy, um, getting tests, done, testing your space, testing your body, um, working with a practitioner and speaking of which, how can they find you if they want to, if they want to work with you.
[00:38:49] Megan: Yes. So you guys can find me on my website. It’s just Megan gump.com Gump, just like Forst, G. Um, you can actually go to my website. I have, um, some resources on there. I also try to post a lot of like really good educational stuff on Instagram. So I know that’s kind of a funny place to do it, but I, you know, try to just put some good stuff on there for everybody.
[00:39:11] So you can check that out. You can follow me on Instagram. And then, um, I will also, I have specific links for Lytics and bio balance now and citrus safe. So I’ll give that to you guys. So if your listeners wanna use my links, um, I get a couple bucks, which is nice, but it keeps me with my own practice, helping other people like you.
[00:39:30] So I’ll give that over. And then, um, yeah, that’s basically kind of where I’m at is my website and Instagram.
[00:39:38] Sydney: That’s perfect. We, you guys go check her out. You need, you need to know these things and use her link. I’m totally gonna use it. And we’ll link it in the show notes, uh, for this podcast. And. Are so glad you joined us today, Megan, what a treat. And we probably could take another hour of your time, but we really appreciate it.
[00:39:55] Megan: Thank you for having me.
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